Visual Studio Failing

Grant FritcheyGrant Fritchey Posts: 72
edited August 8, 2007 6:30AM in SQL Prompt Previous Versions
I just installed the upgrade. When I try running it in Visual Studio I get an error (debug info attached) the first time I try to get a prompt. After the error the prompts show up but I'm unable to select them.

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************** Exception Text **************
System.InvalidCastException: Specified cast is not valid.
at EnvDTE.EditPoint.Delete(Object PointOrCount)
at RedGate.SQLPrompt.CommonVS.Editor.VSScriptProvider._1(IEnumerable`1 )
at RedGate.SQLPrompt.CommonVS.Editor.VSScriptProvider.ApplyDelayedChanges()
at RedGate.SQLPrompt.CommonVS.Editor.VSTextView.Exec(Guid& pguidCmdGroup, UInt32 nCmdID, UInt32 nCmdexecopt, IntPtr pvaIn, IntPtr pvaOut)


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  • Grant FritcheyGrant Fritchey Posts: 72
    Reading more I've found that I'm trying to work with an unsupported version of VS, Visual Studio Team Edition for Database Professionals.

    Sorry. RTFM!
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  • Bart ReadBart Read Posts: 997 Silver 1
    No problem. It sounds like you might also have the RC build there. What's the version number in the SQL Prompt About box please? It should be 3.5.0.333.
    Thanks,
    Bart
    Bart Read
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  • Grant FritcheyGrant Fritchey Posts: 72
    I did have the release candidate for a time, but the version that it shows is 3.5.0.333. Thanks again. Great tool.
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  • ajk-eisajk-eis Posts: 9
    @ Granted
    Reading more I've found that I'm trying to work with an unsupported version of VS, Visual Studio Team Edition for Database Professionals.

    Sorry. RTFM!
    Could you point me at the FM that states this? Doesn't make that much difference, but it seems silly. Data Dude is actually only an add in to VS 2005, just as SQL Prompt is.

    I bought on the premise that VS 2005 would be supported, period. Up to now quite disappointing.

    Alle
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  • Grant FritcheyGrant Fritchey Posts: 72
    ajk-eis wrote:
    Could you point me at the FM that states this? Doesn't make that much difference, but it seems silly. Data Dude is actually only an add in to VS 2005, just as SQL Prompt is.

    I bought on the premise that VS 2005 would be supported, period. Up to now quite disappointing.

    It's at the bottom of the page in the help file under the topic Installing SQL Prompt. I agree that it is a disappointment, but I understand that the scripts and behavior of the DBPro files are different than the same for the generic database projects.
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  • ajk-eisajk-eis Posts: 9
    I understand that the scripts and behavior of the DBPro files are different than the same for the generic database projects.
    It is true, that DataDude database projects are not the same or compatible to the standard database projects. The T-SQL and scripting of the same is however of course identical.

    It's disappointing because the lack of support for VS 2005 was not "advertised" by Red Gate until shortly before the release of SQL Prompt 3 (and after many of us had ordered based on the only available description of Prompt 2 which supported VS all the time).

    Now for about the last half year RG has been talking about including VS support, finally 3.5 is released which "includes support for VS 2005" and after the release I again find an EXCEPT for the ....... Version (which happens to be the version I and others have).

    Not very nice.
    Alle
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  • Bart ReadBart Read Posts: 997 Silver 1
    Thanks for the feedback Alle. I appreciate your frustration. Thinking back I admit that we may not have communicated clearly our intention to not support Data Dude, although in fact we've never intended to support it, even going back as far as the release of SQL Prompt 2 in June last year, and in fact part of the condition for greenlighting SQL Prompt 3 was that we would not support Data Dude. We revisited this for 3.5 and it was again decided that we would not support Data Dude.

    From a technical perspective Data Dude isn't actually a version of Visual Studio 2005, but rather an add-in for it, although again I'd have to admit that the marketing for it makes this less than clear (deliberately, I'm sure). This is I think a contributing factor to the lack of clarity. There was certainly no malicious intent on our part, nor any desire to mislead people about VS 2005 support, we just saw VS 2005 and Data Dude as separate products, and we've also seen Data Dude as being largely targeting a different market to us, although as I've said, thinking about this further, and based on Microsoft's marketing seeing VS 2005 and Data Dude as one and the same is certainly a reasonable point of view.

    With regard to support for it in the future I can't say either way, but I'd suggest you email support@red-gate.com with your concerns. Technically it's a pretty simple addition, with the vast majority of the overhead being in testing, but as I've said elsewhere the reasons we don't support it are commercial rather than technical.

    I'm aware that this doesn't really help you but I hope it goes some way toward clarifying our position. I apologise if you feel misled, that certainly wasn't our intention. As I say, the best way to pursue this is to contact support directly at the above address. Alternatively you could also get in touch with the salesperson you dealt with during your purchase.


    Thanks,
    Bart
    Bart Read
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  • Grant FritcheyGrant Fritchey Posts: 72
    Just a follow-up to your post.

    I'm using Prompt & Refactor daily. They're great tools and really do help my work. The frustration is, I can't use them everywhere, specifically in DataDude. At least 1/2 of the queries I write, in Datadude and, frankly, I'd like to have the quick response type-ahead I get from Prompt and the formatting I get from Refactor. Unfortunately, I don't. It's not a knock on Prompt, it's a complement. The more I use it, the more I need it.
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  • Bart ReadBart Read Posts: 997 Silver 1
    edited August 7, 2007 10:53AM
    I should probably add some qualification to my comment above regarding the relative ease with which Data Dude could be supported.

    Data Dude uses an offline model of your database with which we do not interface, nor could we without significant work. We could pull meta-data from the live database without difficulty, however if you modify database objects in your project without committing the changes to your database these changes would be invisible to SQL Prompt.

    So, to get SQL Prompt to work in Data Dude the way it does in QA, SSMS, and VS 2005 would be easy, whereas getting it to work with Data Dude's offline model would be much more tricky, or at least would require a lot of time.

    Now I'm not sure which of the above you're really after, whether the first would be enough, or whether it wouldn't be much use to you without the second. I suspect the truth is that with Data Dude's high price tag its level of market penetration would make it commercially non-viable for us to integrate with its offline model.

    Again, maybe not much help, but hopefully some more information.


    Thanks,
    Bart
    Bart Read
    Principal Consultant
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  • Bart ReadBart Read Posts: 997 Silver 1
    Granted wrote:
    Just a follow-up to your post.

    I'm using Prompt & Refactor daily. They're great tools and really do help my work. The frustration is, I can't use them everywhere, specifically in DataDude. At least 1/2 of the queries I write, in Datadude and, frankly, I'd like to have the quick response type-ahead I get from Prompt and the formatting I get from Refactor. Unfortunately, I don't. It's not a knock on Prompt, it's a complement. The more I use it, the more I need it.

    Thanks for this, it's all good. My question for you is, with SQL Prompt, what do you need? Making Prompt work with Data Dude in terms of providing intellisense based on a snapshot of the live database, as it does for other editors, would be pretty straightforward, but as I've pointed out to Alle, making it work with Data Dude's offline model would not, so at what point would SQL Prompt become useful for you in Data Dude?
    Thanks,
    Bart
    Bart Read
    Principal Consultant
    bartread.com Ltd
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  • ajk-eisajk-eis Posts: 9
    Hi Bart,

    I appreciate your insight and now understand some of your concerns / problems involved.

    I agree, DD will not "saturate" the market. I agree, at that price DD could (and will certainly at some point) include Intellisense.

    I do expect, that MS will change the direction of DD a bit, making the project model the standard model for all VS Versions since the current situation (DB Projects that are not compatible) is crazy.

    I disagree at the moment as far as the ease of implementation is concerned, since the design time validation of DD is based on a complete local SQL Server instance of the project. The local design time DB would serve fine for your meta data as long as cross server is not required.

    However, the local design time DB will probably be dropped by DD in a few years.

    Where would one need it? When creating objects, especially SP's and Views.

    Alle
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